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May 6 01 8:47 PM
May 6 01 10:18 PM
May 7 01 5:23 AM
May 8 01 1:04 AM
Quote: AIDS technically does not kill anybody. It just lowers the body's immune system and makes it totally disfunctional. So you don't die from AIDS, you die from an infection or a disease or something else.
Quote: AIDS is not a myth, it's a very real and very devastating disease that 'kill' people by destroying their immunity system.
Quote: HIV does NOT cause AIDS but AIDS is the final and most serious stage of HIV.
May 8 01 1:06 AM
Quote: Been there, seen the research, studied the mechanisms, got the degree
May 8 01 2:38 AM
May 8 01 3:22 AM
Quote: "The research that shows that in most people with AIDS, HIV is not present in their bodies""no AIDS cases in America without a documented history of drug use"
May 8 01 3:31 AM
Quote: The research that shows that there have been no AIDS cases in America without a documented history of drug use?
Quote: Actually, I'm going to further refine my position.Karash's error (a typical error although not destructive or disruptive this time around for reasons that I'm not entirely sure of) was that he jumped to a conclusion that was not technically defensible using the highly technical logic-relationship of the 'facts'. Although B doesn't logically follow/result from A because it follows a chronologically does NOT mean that B isn't actually a result of A, it just means that it can't be proven because of a chronological relationship. In other words, although one can not absolutely say that AIDS is caused by HIV, one can equally not say that AIDS isn't caused by HIV as if it's a proven fact either.
May 8 01 5:45 AM
May 8 01 3:08 PM
Quote: The current model of how AIDS arises involves HIV. This model works for me.
Quote: Where do you get this information from? Is it real research data...
Quote: The claimed correlation between HIV and AIDS is flawed at an even more fundamental level, however. Even if the "AIDS test" were administered in every case, the tests are unreliable. Authoritative papers in both Bio/Technology (June 1993) and the Journal of the American Medical Association (November 27, 1991) have shown that the tests are not standardized and give many "false positives" because they react to substances other than HIV antibodies. Even if that were not the case, the tests at best confirm the presence of antibodies and not the virus itself, much less the virus in an active, replicating state. Antibodies typically mean that the body has fought off a viral infection, and they may persist long after the virus itself has disappeared from the body. Since it is often difficult to find live virus even in the bodies of patients who are dying of AIDS, Gallo and others have to speculate that HIV can cause AIDS even when it is no longer present and only antibodies are left.
Quote: you think that HIV is a harmless virus that's neutralized immediately.
Quote: the condition known as AIDS is actually general failure of the immune system cuased by illicit or pharmaceutical drugs
Quote: this is all some huge conspiracy involving the international scientific community, powerful western governments and ultra-powerful drug companies.
Quote: Latest AIDS statistic - 0,000,000 cured. Support a cure, support AMFAR. Call 1-800-39AMFAR.
Quote: what are you defining as "drug" use in this context
Quote: What of the AIDS cases in Africa ... where AIDS has certainly (through opportunistic infections) killed more people than in America (3/4 of the worldwide total: over 2 million in the year 2000 alone)? Most of those in Africa have had no treatment.
Quote: AIDS tests are 'spensive.
May 8 01 3:12 PM
Quote: The way that I understand what HIV is and what a retrovirus is etc. is that HIV will make copies of itself in various cells over and over again while in it's dormant state and during it's active state as well however, it is not until HIV's instructions that are were backwards encoded into a cell's DNA from it's RNA become active (they say that the dormancy period is roughly 10 years)that AIDS happens.
May 8 01 3:13 PM
May 8 01 3:14 PM
Quote: In other words, although one can not absolutely say that AIDS is caused by HIV, one can equally not say that AIDS isn't caused by HIV as if it's a proven fact either.
Quote: 1. The specific organism should be shown to be present in all cases of animals suffering from a specific disease but shold not be found in healthy animals. 2. The specific microorganism should be isolated from the diseased animal and grown in pure culture on artificial laboratory media. 3. This freshly isolated microorganism, when inoculated into a healthy laboratory animal, should cause the same disease seen in the original animal. 4. The microorganism should be reisolated in pure culture from the experimental infection.
May 8 01 3:16 PM
Quote: Yep. Millions of dead are tending to prove the connection, I fear.
May 8 01 3:45 PM
May 8 01 6:35 PM
Quote: It seems that you believe HIV is failing to meet Koch's criteria in only one area - the isolation of the virus.
Quote: And I find it impossible to accept that the millions in Africa are dying of undiagnosed wasting diseases.
Quote: WHat's causing their immunodeficiencies? And you can't blame poverty, else 99% of the underdeveloped world would also be showing marked immunodeficiency.
Quote: As for the notion that drug abuse and homosexual narcotic stimulation (like what? Vaseline? Amyl nitrate? KY?) cause destruction of the immune system equal to that seen from AIDS
Quote: You have evidence suggesting HIV may not be isolated from AIDS victims. That is all.
May 8 01 6:39 PM
May 9 01 3:23 AM
May 9 01 4:27 AM
Quote: To satisfy Koch's postulates for causing AIDS, HIV would have to do this all the time - which it has not in any studies funded by the virus industry or the 'other side.'
May 9 01 9:17 AM
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